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Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2011 5:44 am
by I_dohknow
Sent MERLIN post to here: Here's the replay pack of those games. I cut out the games that HolyHelicopter wasn't in before and after, but none of those had desyncs, and we all played at high video settings.

Game 1: HolyHelicopter desyncs very early. I worry that video settings may not be related. We decide to see if it was random, and play another.
Game 2: Holy desyncs before he picks a hero. We're curious if it's his client, or something we're doing.
Game 3: Holy desyncs again, and has begun to suspect that picking his abilities is what makes him desync.
Game 4: A little bit of screwing around to see if we can determine what causes him to desync. I don't see anything obvious.
Game 5: Holy puts no points in skills all game to see if he will still desync. It takes longer than previously, but he still does after a while.
Game 6: Holy goes afk for the entire game and still desyncs. We wanted to see if it was our actions or his causing him to desync.
Game 7: Holy and I do a 1v1 to see if I could make him desync. He afk'd, but there was no desync after 8 minutes, so we decided to remake.
Game 8: 1v1 again, but this time we play normally. He desyns after a couple of minutes.
Game 9: Holy turns his video settings down to low, just for curiousity's sake. He desyns early again.

Not sure what to make of this yet.

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 1:55 pm
by Merlin
To confirm that the desync is caused by different WC3 clients, we should try to get our hands on a non-English client. We could also ask HolyHelicopter to download the English client from battle.net.

We also need to confirm if video settings can cause a desync. Are most of you available in the evenings? I'll be on in an hour for a bit.

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 2:12 pm
by I_dohknow
Am online but holy isnt

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 5:33 pm
by Fledermaus
I can do after like 6pm Central time but I have to leave for work at about 10pm.

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:16 pm
by GreenGold
ill be open for test may 25. skype me

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2011 5:04 am
by I_dohknow
Am on skype most of the times but i never see you online green.

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:34 am
by I_dohknow
Merlin are we still testing?

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:10 am
by Merlin
I've been a little busy the last few days, but we can do some tests today.

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:02 pm
by Chogall-
Let me know if you go for another round. You can find me on north or east, same name.

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:39 am
by I_dohknow
Merlin lets test today

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:28 pm
by Merlin
Can't tonight, maybe tomorrow. The bot has been up for most of the time in the last few days. You and pretty much everyone else on this forum have access. It sits in channel ToB on USEast.

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:56 pm
by Fledermaus
About 99.99% sure I found the cause (and it should be an easy fix :D). Cass thinks he remembers other desyncs when there weren't players doing anything (as in just sitting in base, not even casting any spells). But the one I found probably explains the vast majority of all pub desyncs since it effects non-English versions of the game.

Been checking out Merlin's old replays from the bugs topic and I can see it happening in them :)

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:51 pm
by Cassiel
Ja. Guess this means I have to actually fix the damn assists. Poop.

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:08 pm
by Deacon (AYC)
I am online now, someone party down with me.

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:43 am
by Fledermaus
Har, NRJyzr is the cause of all but one (of the non-1v1 games) of the desyncs in that pack. You'd think he'd notice it was always when he casted Crimson Wake :<

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:51 am
by I_dohknow
Glad to help. Gj fled. Hope O can continue soon. Am up for more testing if necessary. Am online everyday but not at nights. Am off at 8pm east

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:08 am
by I_dohknow
We just did some testing. Fled solved the desync problem with Holy. GG we win.

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:49 am
by Fledermaus
Thanks doh, I didn't already post that.

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:07 am
by Merlin
So if I understand correctly, the cause was different language clients plus Crimson Wake? What about the desyncs where we weren't doing anything?

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:46 pm
by Fledermaus
Not just crimson wake, anything that would kill trees/walls.

I checked a bunch of your replays and have only found 1 where I can't see anything happening (but that doesn't mean it isn't, I just haven't found it yet).

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:19 pm
by Merlin
Glad to hear this has finally been put to rest, though it's a shame we couldn't figure it out back in July/August of last year when there was still momentum behind the new release. Hopefully you guys will find the time to get some new versions of O out, because League of Legends just pisses me off. :\

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:27 pm
by NRJyzr
Fledermaus wrote:Har, NRJyzr is the cause of all but one (of the non-1v1 games) of the desyncs in that pack. You'd think he'd notice it was always when he casted Crimson Wake :<


I did notice that :)

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:20 pm
by Deacon (AYC)
We had one today. Not sure if Merlin reported it yet but it crashed on a few people.

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:44 pm
by Merlin
I did, in the release thread.

Re: Desync in TobO

PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:48 pm
by Fledermaus
NRJyzr wrote:
Fledermaus wrote:Har, NRJyzr is the cause of all but one (of the non-1v1 games) of the desyncs in that pack. You'd think he'd notice it was always when he casted Crimson Wake :<


I did notice that :)

Could have said something sooner xD