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Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:14 pm
by Drain_Pipe
Looks pretty sweet, along with all the other updated videos. Pretty cool that you guys figured out a way to make this work. One thing I'm wondering about; could you add in a mechanism to unsocket items as well? One other thing is, have you considered having items which allow additional spell casting to have sockets as well? (normally socketing an item on cooldown would simply reset the item)

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:20 pm
by Merlin
Cassiel wrote:I am le sad that nobody noticed the price go up each time a gem is inserted (even though the numbers are off because I haven't decided what gems will actually cost yet).

I noticed it! I also noticed that all the gems have the same description. >_>

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:21 pm
by Drain_Pipe
yeah just recognized that my second look through.

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:43 pm
by Fledermaus
Drain_Pipe wrote:One other thing is, have you considered having items which allow additional spell casting to have sockets as well? (normally socketing an item on cooldown would simply reset the item)

I think blizzard fixed this awhile ago, like if you drop an item on CD then pick it up again, the CD is still the same but looks faster because it start from the start again but goes faster because it has less time left on the CD.

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:37 pm
by Cassiel
Merlin wrote:I noticed it! I also noticed that all the gems have the same description. >_>

Yeah, I'm not going to bother with the tooltips until I figure out their actual values. Right now it's +4 to an attrib, or the equivalent of +5-6 to that attrib for a derived value. So +4 Str, or +125 life. But then regen is an exception because the regen even from +6 Str/Int is only .3.

Fledermaus wrote:I think blizzard fixed this awhile ago, like if you drop an item on CD then pick it up again, the CD is still the same but looks faster because it start from the start again but goes faster because it has less time left on the CD.

Correct.

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:49 am
by pix
Can I socket a Warlock's with a Warlock's?

Looks amazing.

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:04 am
by Drain_Pipe
Fledermaus wrote:I think blizzard fixed this awhile ago, like if you drop an item on CD then pick it up again, the CD is still the same but looks faster because it start from the start again but goes faster because it has less time left on the CD.


I'm assuming, however, that you aren't picking up the same item, rather you're picking up a similar item. Does that still apply in this case? I haven't really done a lot of testing with items so I'm not sure.

On a side note, the program you wrote to generate all the items and combinations, what program was it? Just curious as to how you can do all this stuff without doing the work directly in the world editor program.

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:12 am
by Boolerian
I'm pretty sure that it generates text in a vJass form, given the amount of sockets and gems. Once generated, Cassiel can only cnp it.

This really gives the player more freedom in terms of building up your character as you wish. Man!

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:20 am
by Cassiel
Drain_Pipe wrote:I'm assuming, however, that you aren't picking up the same item, rather you're picking up a similar item. Does that still apply in this case? I haven't really done a lot of testing with items so I'm not sure.

Items have cooldown groups. Don't pots work that way in N?

Drain_Pipe wrote:On a side note, the program you wrote to generate all the items and combinations, what program was it? Just curious as to how you can do all this stuff without doing the work directly in the world editor program.

Err, what program is the program I wrote?

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:23 am
by Boolerian
Kaz wrote:Cass made a program to generate all possible variations created by socketing there's no way he'd be making them by hand.


That one.

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:01 pm
by TheBigMole
Easiest way would propably be using gekko's GMSI. You could write some loops, which add all possible combinations to a map, quite simply with it.

Yet again, nice job. Will O focus more on items then previous versions? Will unitupgrading (buiding towers) change?

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:48 pm
by Cassiel
The Widgetizer can't process that much object data. I played with GMSI but ended up using C++ instead.

Items beyond basic stuff will actually matter in O, so yes they're more important. Spawn upgrades use a menu on the keep rather than towers.

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:12 am
by Arthas_Teranas
Looks amazingly smooth.

Thanks for the update!

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:41 am
by nooK
uh nice =)
so what's actually left do do before we can see a release?

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:18 am
by erwtenpeller
thousands of little fucking things. These blokes are shooting for perfection.

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:58 am
by Zeuter
ejaculation joke

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:59 am
by Boolerian
Hero Selection: Check
Item Socket: Check
Spell Systems: Check
Terrain: Semi-Check
Heroes: 4 Check, 8 Not-Check
Models & Textures: Check (?)

...guessing by the things I've seen/read so far.

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:06 pm
by Turkey_Slayer
YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT SON

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:11 am
by Boolerian
I wouldn't say shit, but there sure is a lot. I forgot things like projectile system, blood meter, elementals...
Hell, I thought that there were only heroes' abilities left to code, and now I see this item socketing. Who knows what else there is.

DO YOU?
If so, call this number 555-TOBFAN.

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:28 am
by Cassiel
Mostly it's the terrain. The Terrain Palette sucks. Using it makes me want to harakiri myself. For long periods I just stare at the terrain, saying over and over again in my head "Terrain Palette, why do you suck?"

Hero abilities are mostly a breeze to script with all the systems in place. Tirion and I have already tackled the complicated stuff, with maybe one exception. The few effects I still have to make for abilities are more work than the scripting.

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:42 am
by nooK
Hm didn't think the terrain would need so much time.
So could you give us a short teaser of the hero lineup?
Still the 18 old or only 12 of them? Some new heroes?

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:02 am
by erwtenpeller
It's basically the same line-up. You guys have seen or heard of most "new" heroes by now, but all heroes have gotten upgrades and rerwites. Some more severe then others, but no character remains exactly the same as they where in N.

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:20 am
by Viikuna-
You better release O, because if you dont, it wont be released !!!!



edit. sry, I just felt like posting someting useless.

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:23 am
by Turkey_Slayer
Welcome to my world.

Re: Socket to me

PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:36 am
by Viikuna-
Yea, but someone guys have to post something, because if they dont, there would be no posts at all !!!!


edit. removed that yellow !- mark, because it looked pretty stupid.