Louise Glück wrote:I use the word "writer" deliberately. "Poet" must be used cautiously; it names an aspiration, not an occupation. In other words: not a noun for a passport.
It is very strange to want so much what cannot be achieved in life. The high jumper knows, at the instant after performance, how high he has been; his achievement can be measured both immediately and with precision. But for those of us attempting dialogue with the great dead, it isn't a matter of waiting: the judgment we wait for is made by the unborn; we can never, in our lifetimes, know it.
For over a hundred years the philosophy of art has been subject to the tyranny of a usurper who came to power in the chaos which followed in the wake of romanticism.
Cassiel wrote:It's not funny. It's why I picked that example.
What he was going for and what he got are two different things. Despite what you may have learned in high school, works of art aren't about messages or themes or any such rubbish.
TheRaven7 wrote:I was kind of implying that I realized I was wrong in that thread. Those were posts of indignant self-righteous angst.
TheRaven7 wrote:If I'm reading that excerpt correctly (which there is a high possibility that I'm not), people are mistaking symbols for connections between what is there and what it means instead of connections between what is there and what isn't there. It also says that allegories are works of art that are specifically chosen to convey meaning, but as art they can be expressed distinctly from the chosen concept.
TheRaven7 wrote:If this is correct, then I would say that the high school curriculum is a result of such fallacy and not necessarily justification to teach students material they don't understand.
Qaenyin The Angelblade wrote:While yeah this may well be the case, why is that? Because there's no point in putting messages or themes in things because A:no one cares or B:no one is going to notice or C:your audience is too dumb to have a clue what the fuck you're saying?
Cassiel wrote:What? On an unrelated note: high school is the result of politics. Quantification -> standardized testing -> no critical thinking. Or it could be a remnant of our Christian origins. Catechism and critical thinking have always been mortal enemies.
Dr.Mellifluous wrote:In other news I've been reading Denise Levertov
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